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Using DAS and Fastpass+ Together

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Recently we were chosen to be among the first Annual Passholders to test MagicBands (MBs) and MyMagic+ (MM+), including the ability to schedule our Fastpass+ (FP+) times in advance.  We wanted to share our experience and some advice.

First, some quick background.  Recently we had some issues with using our DAS card and miscommunications we had with Disney.  We sent an email to Disability Relations at Walt Disney World and received a call from a Disability Relations representative and had a very nice call with her for almost an hour one afternoon.  She asked about our experiences overall with the entire DAS process and then what happened to cause our concern.  She was shocked at how we had heard so many different stories about the program.  What it all boils down to is that the only people who will know about any changes are people at her level and above working directly with the DAS program and that none had been planned or discussed back to Guest Relations (GR) or to those who staff the DAS help line; and that includes their Supervisors and Managers.  So, if anyone at that line or at GR tells anyone that there are ‘changes’ in place, planned or coming, that’s not true.  They won’t find out about any changes until they are ready to roll out and that’s not happening.  Right now and for the future the DAS works as always, 1 return time at a time with no limit per day or per the 14-day period.  Accommodations are the same as they were always meant to be.  They are on a guest by guest, day by day and Park by Park basis.  The only change is that there should be no notes in the files anymore “guaranteeing” a certain accommodation.  It all depends on how busy any Park is on any given day, how many attractions that Park has available and how much those accommodations are needed by that particular Guest.  And she stressed that no Cast Member should ever be saying that there is nothing they can do, and if you hear that, ask to speak to a Manager immediately, as there is always something they can do.  It might be re-admission tickets (paper Fastpasses), and they are allowed to give up to 3 sets at a time.  Or it may be as simple as giving you your first return time while at the GR desk if the Park isn’t busy.  How she put it to me is to simply state that you are using your Fastpasses and using your DAS but it just isn’t enough and you’d like just something extra to help with your day.  She did say that they take the feedback they get from guests like us to a weekly DAS committee meeting and they use that meeting to plan for the future.  So, send those emails in with your feedback.  The two biggest pieces of feedback they have right now is the ability to use a single return time for multiple rides and being able to have multiple return times at a time.  Email WDW.Guest.Communications@disneyworld.com, copying the email to Disability.Services@DisneyParks.com and specify that it for a DAS concern and give a phone number to call.

Some basic background on Fastpass+ may be needed.  As of today (and the program is subject to change), each guest is allowed 3 FP+ ‘reservations’ per day and they must be all at a single Park.  Epcot and Hollywood Studios (DHS) use a tier system which allows one FP+ for Tier 1 and 2 from Tier 2; the Magic Kingdom (MK) and the Animal Kingdom (DAK) have no tiers in place at this time.  A full list of all available FP+ attractions is at the end of this article for your reference.  If needed you can change your FP+ times and/or attractions at any time using the My Disney Experience (MDE) app on your phone, computer or at any of the FP+ kiosks available throughout the Parks.

And for some background on the DAS program, please visit our November article on this at this link: Our Experience With Disney’s DAS Card.  We also wrote on our general experiences at this link: Autism in the Parks.

We have now used our scheduled FP+ at all 4 Parks.  In order to test successfully, we chose to use only the DAS card itself and no additional accommodations.  Our first Park was DAK, where we had FP+ scheduled for Kilimanjaro Safari, Dinosaur and Finding Nemo – The Musical.   We started out by riding Kilimanjaro Safari.  Afterwards, on the way to Dinosaur, we stopped to get a DAS return time for Expedition Everest.  After riding Dinosaur we headed back to use our Everest return time.  We then headed back to get a DAS time for Primeval Whirl before going to watch Finding Nemo; afterwards going back to use the Primeval Whirl time.  There was a little more ‘back and forth’ and planning here, but it was reasonable and do-able; and we were able to successfully spend a good afternoon with little stress.

Our second Park was DHS.  Here we chose FP+ times for Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster (RNR), Tower of Terror (ToT) and Star Tours.  On our way to Star Tours, we stopped for a DAS return time for Toy Story Mania (TSM).  Let me mention that for a day at DHS, we would suggest getting one FP+ time for TSM due to the always high return times.  The available times this day were outside our visit range so we adapted.  After Star Tours we stopped and watched Muppet*Vision 3D before returning to Toy Story for our return time ride.  We then went to Tower of Terror and rode and headed for Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster.  The coaster was down at this point and we later learned that Disney had sent an email to our registered MDE email letting us know that it was down and allowing us to use our FP+ at any time that day at DHS on any attraction.  If an attraction is down during any of your FP+ times, check your MDE or at a FP+ kiosk for the options you’re given in exchange.  We did ride the Great Movie Ride before heading out this day.  My thoughts on DHS are to FP+ TSM and if you plan to ride both ToT and RNR, to FP+ ToT and get a DAS time for RNR first.  That will allow you to hit both rides fairly easily with little back and forth.

Our third Park was Epcot.  For this visit we chose Test Track, The Seas with Nemo and Friends and Spaceship Earth.  We first headed to The Land where we got a return time for Soarin’ and then rode Living with the Land and a quick rest stop at Sunshine Seasons before riding Soarin’.  Soarin’ is a good choice for using your DAS instead of FP+ only because you do have some options within The Land to spend your wait time (Living with the Land, Circle of Life, a meal or snack at Sunshine Seasons).  We then rode Nemo and Friends and visited the manatee rescue station before heading over to Test Track, riding with our FP+.  We then ended our visit with a Spaceship Earth ride.  If following our method, you could also stop and get a return time at Mission: Space before riding Test Track and can also use Universe of Energy to spend wait time.  Maelstrom can easily use a DAS return time with a stroll around the surrounding Pavilions to pass time.

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Finally our tests brought us to the Magic Kingdom.  For this particular visit we chose Big Thunder Mountain Railroad (BTMR), Under the Sea and Space Ranger Spin.  On the way to BTMR we stopped for a return time for Haunted Mansion, rode BTMR and then returned to Haunted Mansion to ride.  We got a return time for Pirates of the Caribbean and went to get Dole Whips to pass the wait time.  We returned to Pirates and then headed to Fantasyland.  There we got a return time for Winnie the Pooh, watched Mickey’s PhilharMagic and then went back to ride Pooh.  We then went to Under the Sea for our FP+ time (we would have gotten a return time for Peter Pan’s Flight but that was down at the time.  After Under the Sea we stopped at Space Mountain for a return time before riding Buzz and the PeopleMover.  We then used the return time on Space Mountain (well, the kids did) before heading out for the day.
We did a second trip to the Magic Kingdom this past Saturday, starting earlier than usual (we arrived around 10am whereas we normally start our Park days between 1:30pm and 2:30pm).  We were able to walk on Haunted Mansion, PhilharMagic, Country Bears, Carousel of Progress and PeopleMover that day while using FP+ for Big Thunder, Mickey Mouse Meet and Tomorrowland Speedway and DAS return times for Pooh, Buzz, Space Mountain and Peter Pan.  Our son did comment that this was the best day he had at Disney since the GAC changed to the DAS.

Our overall experience was positive.  If planning accordingly, you can balance FP+ and DAS return times along with shows, snack/meal breaks and “quiet time” periods successfully.  We would highly recommend consulting a Park map as you plan FP+ times so that you can work them well together with DAS return times without doing more ‘back and forth’ travelling than is needed and to plan DAS return times for attractions where there are some low wait time attractions or shows nearby to help you pass wait times.  A good example, based on our experience, is to get a FP+ for BTMR given how far it is from other attractions (especially when Splash Mountain is closed); so you won’t have to trek to the back of the Park to do this as a DAS return.  We would also suggest that if you have a child who would like to ride something more than once to get a FP+ time, but get a DAS return time before boarding at your FP+ time.  This will allow for a quicker re-boarding for a second ride.  Finally, we suggest that if you eat a meal, get a DAS return time before you go to the meal, as we did with Haunted Mansion when eating at Columbia Harbor House.

Please also take the time to listen to the wonderful Special Mouse Podcast, I was a guest on a recent episode that you can listen to on iTunes, Stitcher or at this link: Beta Testing the DAS Card with Fast Pass+ at Walt Disney World.

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Animal Kingdom Fastpass+ Attractions

DINOSAUR
Expedition Everest
Festival of the Lion King
Finding Nemo – The Musical
It’s Tough to Be a Bug!
Kali River Rapids
Kilimanjaro Safaris
Meet Favorite Disney Pals at Adventurers Outpost
Mickey’s Jammin’ Jungle Parade
Primeval Whirl

Magic Kingdom Fastpass+ Attractions

Ariel’s Grotto
The Barnstormer
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin
Festival of Fantasy Parade
Dumbo the Flying Elephant
Enchanted Tales with Belle
The Haunted Mansion
it’s a small world
Jungle Cruise
Mad Tea Party
The Magic Carpets of Aladdin
Main Street Electrical Parade
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Mickey’s PhilharMagic
Monsters, Inc. Laugh Floor
Peter Pan’s Flight
Pirates of the Caribbean
Princess Fairytale Hall: Meet Cinderella and a Visiting Princess
Princess Fairytale Hall: Meet Rapunzel and a Visiting Princess
Princess Fairytale Hall: Meet Anna and Elsa from Frozen
Seven Dwarfs Mine Train
Space Mountain
Splash Mountain
Tomorrowland Speedway
Town Square Theater Mickey Mouse Meet and Greet
Under the Sea: Journey of the Little Mermaid
Wishes Nighttime Spectacular

Epcot Fastpass+ Attractions

Group A (Choose 1)

Epcot Character Spot
IllumiNations: Reflections of Earth
Maelstrom
Soarin’
Test Track

Group B (Choose 2)

Captain EO
Journey Into Imagination With Figment
Living with the Land
Mission: SPACE (Green or Orange)
Spaceship Earth
The Seas with Nemo & Friends
Turtle Talk with Crush

Hollywood Studios Fastpass+ Attractions

Group A (Choose 1)

Beauty and the Beast – Live on Stage
Fantasmic!
Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster
Toy Story Mania!

Group B (Choose 2)

Disney Junior – Live on Stage!
Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular!
Lights, Motors, Action! Extreme Stunt Show
Muppet*Vision 3D
Star Tours: The Adventures Continue
The American Idol Experience
The Comedy Warehouse Holiday Special (Seasonal)
The Great Movie Ride
The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror
Voyage of the Little Mermaid


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Autism in the Parks

Picture the Magic Kingdom on a high crowd level day:  long stand-by lines for attractions, people pushing through areas trying to make ADRs, or FastPass times or just simply to reach that next attraction.  For most people, this proves to be a minor annoyance but to them the magic of Walt Disney World is worth the inconveniences. However, to a child with autism, this can prove to be a sensory nightmare, and a such you will not find us in the parks on a high-level crowd day.    As our Ben will tell you: “I don’t do so well in crowds”.

Children with autism typically tend to have noise sensitivities.  That child ahead of you in the queue line with headphones on?  Without the noise blocking mechanisms of those headphones, the noise would literally prove to be too painful for the child to tolerate it.   Ben uses ear plugs for such attractions as Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Space Mountain, Mickey’s Philharmagic, Haunted Mansion (in the stretching room where people tend to scream) and Dream Along with Mickey in the Magic Kingdom; Rock n Roller Coaster, Tower of Terror, Great Movie Ride, Indiana Jones, Mulch, Sweat & Shears, Backlot Tour,  and Muppets in the Studios;  Test Track, Mission Space, Soarin’, and Candlelight Processional in Epcot;  and  Expedition Everest, Dinosaur, Festival of the Lion King, and Finding Nemo the Musical in the Animal Kingdom.    Ben considers the Studios to be one of the noisiest parks.

Enjoy waiting in line?  Well, nobody really does, but for children with autism, this is extremely hard.  We have been so thankful for the Guest Assistance Card to help Ben with these lines.  The current DAS card which replaced it has been helpful, but it does have more limitations than what we’ve experienced previously.  See our earlier post here on the DAS card.

We have been blessed to have been able to move close to Walt Disney World, as Ben has loved Mickey Mouse ever since he was a preschooler.  Mickey is such a calming force in his life.  We accept, however, that there are certain times that we are not able to go into the Parks, such as the 4th of July and New Year’s Eve fireworks.  He loves fireworks, but not the crowds.  We are not always able to attend meets, as it depends largely on how Ben is that day.  A high autism day means very little patience for waiting around, and what really is there to do with a crowd of people for a length of time?    We have found the iPhone and its numerous apps to be a valuable tool in waiting in lines, but there are times that it can only provide so much entertainment before he gets bored with it.

We are thankful to our friends who understand and love Ben for who he is.  He is an amazing child, and we wouldn’t have him any other way.


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Our Experience With Disney’s DAS Card

Ever since the rumours started a few months back that Disney would soon be changing the Guest Assistance Card (GAC) program to a new system or doing away with it altogether, we’ve been waiting for the official word to come.  A few weeks ago that word came and the GAC was set to change over to the new  Disability Access Service (DAS) effective October 9th.  You can find Disney’s official statement and FAQ on the program at this link.  Our first visit to a Park under the new program was this past Saturday, October 12th.  Here is our experience at the Magic Kingdom.

We started our day with a stop at Guest Services at City Hall.  The line was shorter than we typically encounter and we were met at the door by a very nice CM, Vas, who brought us inside.  He asked a few questions on Ben’s needs and began filling out a form on his iPad entering this info.  He used the iPad to take Ben’s photo and then went behind the desk to pick up the printed DAS card.  They are no longer hand-printed, they are printed out using the info supplied to the CM, the Guest’s photo, the issuing Park and the time frame the card will be good for.  Vas explained that as Annual Passholders we could only get the card for 14 days.  He told us this was due to the fact that Disney is still testing and refining the process and they want to be able to make changes as needed.  He also went over the program in detail explaining how the card works.  We take the card to the Fastpass entrance of any attraction where the CM will note the current time, the wait time and the return time on the back of the card.  The return time is based on the current wait time minus 10 minutes.  So if the current time is 3:00pm and the wait time is 30 minutes, the return time will be 3:20pm.  We can return any time after that return time, there is no time limit as with a Fastpass.  We also learned that if we are given a return time and decide to skip that attraction, we have to go back to that attraction and have the return time crossed out, even if we don’t ride, before we can get a new one at another attraction.

Next we had Re-Entry Passes (sometimes referred to as Re-admittance or Re-ad cards) explained.  If a Guest has a cognitive disability that could cause melt-downs when waiting to board or re-ride a favourite attraction, Disney will issue Re-Entry Passes to allow for immediate use of the Fastpass queue to enter.  These look like and are used just as Fastpass tickets (photo below).  We were issued 1 pass apiece for 3 attractions, a total of 12 passes for the 4 of us.

We entered the Magic Kingdom and decided to first get a set of Fastpasses for one attraction to plan around.  We got these for Winnie the Pooh and also received a set for Mickey’s Philharmagic.   Our plan was to get a DAS return time, enjoy Mickey and then go forward from there.  Jen went to get a DAS time at Under The Sea.  The CM was confused at first, it seemed this was the first one she had done, but quickly had the card filled out.  We were given a 30-minute return time and then went into Philharmagic using those Fastpasses.  After enjoying the show we walked over to Under the Sea and arrived just at our return time.  We entered through the Fastpass queue where the CM crossed out the entry and let us enter.  We showed the DAS card again at the second CM and entered in.

After riding Under the Sea we still had some time before we could use our Pooh Fastpasses so we used the Re-entry Passes to ride Barnstormer.  To use these passes we do need to show the DAS card as well, although the CM at Barnstormer didn’t ask to see it.  We were asked to see it when using the passes at Space Mountain and Buzz Lightyear however.  Afterwards we used our ‘regular’ Fastpasses at Pooh and then moved to Tomorrowland where we used the Re-entry Passes at Space Mountain and Buzz and also rode TTA.  At this point my energy was spent for the day and we headed home.

Overall our experience was very positive.  The CMs were all helpful and everything worked smoothly for us Saturday.  With good planning; by using Fastpasses (and Fastpass+ once available), the Re-entry Passes and the DAS card this program should work out well for our particular needs.  We can see how this program might still need refinement for families coming on vacations and for those families with different needs.  It does work differently for those needing extra accommodations, such as using strollers as wheelchairs, etc., as well.

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Please let us know if you have any questions and we’ll do our best to help answer for you.  Please feel free to comment below or reach out to us on Facebook and/or Twitter.

Resources:
Services for Guests with Cognitive Disabilities

Guide for Guests with Cognitive Disabilities

Social Story Video: DAS vs. GAC (Courtesy of John Saccheri of BigFatPanda.com)

Disability Access Service Card Guide

Disability Assistance Service FAQ

Services for Guests with Disabilities

Guides for Guests with Disabilities
Available at Guest Relations, these guides can also be downloaded in a printable format for each theme park:
Magic Kingdom
Epcot
Disney’s Hollywood Studios
Disney’s Animal Kingdom